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		<title>By: Lisa Torcasso Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Torcasso Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Wm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Wm.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that -- I did intend to come back and explain, but I got distracted. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Autopoiesis&lt;/a&gt; is term used in systems theory to refer to an autonomous system that contains within itself the ability to engage in the processes that sustains itself. The term was appropriated by Mark McGurl for use in a cultural studies/literary criticism-history context -- most prominently in his landmark work &lt;em&gt;The Program Era: Postwar Fiction and the Rise of Creative Writing&lt;/em&gt;. Being a literary critic, he, of course, has to turn it into the pun &quot;autopoetics.&quot; 

He applies it specifically to creative writing programs and writers produced by creative writing programs that create &quot;a cultural system geared for the production of self-expressive originality&quot; (49). McGurl specifically creates an abstract model of the &quot;creative writing process&quot; as composed of the interplay of three major values promoted and pedagogied by creative writing programs: 

* Experience (Authenticity) Memory, Observation, &quot;Write What You Know&quot;

* Creativity (Freedom) Imagination, Fantasy,&quot;Find Your Voice&quot;

* Craft (Tradition) Revision, Concentration, &quot;Show Don&#039;t Tell&quot; 

I hope to write more about McGurl&#039;s work. It&#039;s got a lot of theory in it so it&#039;s a bit of a slog, but he raises some interesting issues, and, more importantly in my case, he disabused me of some of the reductive notions I had in regards to creative writing programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that &#8212; I did intend to come back and explain, but I got distracted. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis" rel="nofollow">Autopoiesis</a> is term used in systems theory to refer to an autonomous system that contains within itself the ability to engage in the processes that sustains itself. The term was appropriated by Mark McGurl for use in a cultural studies/literary criticism-history context &#8212; most prominently in his landmark work <em>The Program Era: Postwar Fiction and the Rise of Creative Writing</em>. Being a literary critic, he, of course, has to turn it into the pun &#8220;autopoetics.&#8221; </p>
<p>He applies it specifically to creative writing programs and writers produced by creative writing programs that create &#8220;a cultural system geared for the production of self-expressive originality&#8221; (49). McGurl specifically creates an abstract model of the &#8220;creative writing process&#8221; as composed of the interplay of three major values promoted and pedagogied by creative writing programs: </p>
<p>* Experience (Authenticity) Memory, Observation, &#8220;Write What You Know&#8221;</p>
<p>* Creativity (Freedom) Imagination, Fantasy,&#8221;Find Your Voice&#8221;</p>
<p>* Craft (Tradition) Revision, Concentration, &#8220;Show Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; </p>
<p>I hope to write more about McGurl&#8217;s work. It&#8217;s got a lot of theory in it so it&#8217;s a bit of a slog, but he raises some interesting issues, and, more importantly in my case, he disabused me of some of the reductive notions I had in regards to creative writing programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Torcasso Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Torcasso Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, who knows what poiesis means? Ug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, who knows what poiesis means? Ug.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/sunstone/rag-doll-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autopoiesis lives on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autopoiesis lives on!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy Lisa&#039;s no-nonsense replies. And Stephen&#039;s 10/29 response is interesting. I lead a small writers workshop and attend two others (one small, one quite large) and find it fun to hear wild ideas being strewn about. But Lisa&#039;s right. When it comes down to it, I have to SBIC (sit butt in chair) and do my own writing with my own voice, and the inner me alone knows where I want my story to go. I save collaboration for anthologies, which are fun also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy Lisa&#8217;s no-nonsense replies. And Stephen&#8217;s 10/29 response is interesting. I lead a small writers workshop and attend two others (one small, one quite large) and find it fun to hear wild ideas being strewn about. But Lisa&#8217;s right. When it comes down to it, I have to SBIC (sit butt in chair) and do my own writing with my own voice, and the inner me alone knows where I want my story to go. I save collaboration for anthologies, which are fun also.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Hallstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Hallstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, that would be fun.  I really like Lisa&#039;s take on it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, that would be fun.  I really like Lisa&#8217;s take on it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fan and self-published fiction in Japan--known as &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Djinshi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;doujinshi&lt;/a&gt;--&lt;/i&gt; has evolved into a major cultural movement, to the extent that it has carved out a gray area in Japan&#039;s copyright law to allow for its continuing existence. Doujinshi conventions are like the NCAA--lucrative but not quite technically &quot;professional&quot;--and function as a sort of &quot;minor leagues&quot; for commercial publishers. Some of the biggest names in manga and anime started out in collaborative doujinshi clubs (called &quot;circles&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fan and self-published fiction in Japan&#8211;known as <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Djinshi" rel="nofollow">doujinshi</a>&#8211;</i> has evolved into a major cultural movement, to the extent that it has carved out a gray area in Japan&#8217;s copyright law to allow for its continuing existence. Doujinshi conventions are like the NCAA&#8211;lucrative but not quite technically &#8220;professional&#8221;&#8211;and function as a sort of &#8220;minor leagues&#8221; for commercial publishers. Some of the biggest names in manga and anime started out in collaborative doujinshi clubs (called &#8220;circles&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Torcasso Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Torcasso Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be interesting, Stephen. But what would be even more intriguing to me would be if such a group established a story outline, complete w. characterization,setting, etc, and then each writer in that group wrote the group idea into a story on their own. Something tells me the versions would be surprisingly different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be interesting, Stephen. But what would be even more intriguing to me would be if such a group established a story outline, complete w. characterization,setting, etc, and then each writer in that group wrote the group idea into a story on their own. Something tells me the versions would be surprisingly different.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All,

Kind of what I was envisioning was a story night where a group of writers gets together to make a story--they&#039;ll only invest 2 to 3 hours into it, and there will be food, so it won&#039;t be a waste. 

The idea of it would be to go kinda wild, to throw things together that haven&#039;t been thrown together before and make something new. I find myself sometimes getting morassed in my own story ideas. They become too canoical and staid. It would be fun to see what a group could conjure up. 

Then, if the story is especially interesting to someone, he or she can take it up. But the purpose would be to exercise your story muscles on a regular basis and keep your creativity fresh.

I actually did a mini version of this with a class I taught once, and it worked out well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>Kind of what I was envisioning was a story night where a group of writers gets together to make a story&#8211;they&#8217;ll only invest 2 to 3 hours into it, and there will be food, so it won&#8217;t be a waste. </p>
<p>The idea of it would be to go kinda wild, to throw things together that haven&#8217;t been thrown together before and make something new. I find myself sometimes getting morassed in my own story ideas. They become too canoical and staid. It would be fun to see what a group could conjure up. </p>
<p>Then, if the story is especially interesting to someone, he or she can take it up. But the purpose would be to exercise your story muscles on a regular basis and keep your creativity fresh.</p>
<p>I actually did a mini version of this with a class I taught once, and it worked out well.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

Those collaborative writing ideas are very interesting and exciting. There&#039;s a Young Adult series of books called &quot;The 39 Clues,&quot; that takes a bit of this ethos. It&#039;s a kind of epic where two teenagers are trying to find 39 clues, in competition with a huge cast of characters, that will help them inherit a fortune. Each book is written by a different author. The first was Rick Riordan, whose book The Lightning Thief will be released as a motion picture pretty soon. The second was by Gordan Korman, a favorite author from my own youth. 

So obviously the story outline was hammered out at the beginning, but it&#039;s fun to see the different voice each author brings to the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>Those collaborative writing ideas are very interesting and exciting. There&#8217;s a Young Adult series of books called &#8220;The 39 Clues,&#8221; that takes a bit of this ethos. It&#8217;s a kind of epic where two teenagers are trying to find 39 clues, in competition with a huge cast of characters, that will help them inherit a fortune. Each book is written by a different author. The first was Rick Riordan, whose book The Lightning Thief will be released as a motion picture pretty soon. The second was by Gordan Korman, a favorite author from my own youth. </p>
<p>So obviously the story outline was hammered out at the beginning, but it&#8217;s fun to see the different voice each author brings to the series.</p>
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