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		<title>By: Maria Rogers</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-4821</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fertility clinics are on the rise these days because people still want to have kids even if they are already old~.;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fertility clinics are on the rise these days because people still want to have kids even if they are already old~.;</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia Miller</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-4776</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fertility Clinics really helped a lot in getting my wife to conceive a child. Just make sure you get a reliable one.::*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fertility Clinics really helped a lot in getting my wife to conceive a child. Just make sure you get a reliable one.::*</p>
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		<title>By: What are dead trees good for? &#124; The Red Brick Store</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>What are dead trees good for? &#124; The Red Brick Store</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few days ago, we had a very interesting discussion based on a personal essay about one couple&#8217;s experience of loss in fertility treatment. We [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few days ago, we had a very interesting discussion based on a personal essay about one couple&#8217;s experience of loss in fertility treatment. We [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Times &#38; Seasons &#187; Hum together, right now</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Times &#38; Seasons &#187; Hum together, right now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] personal essays about the role of conviction in spiritual growth, and the complexities surrounding the question of when life begins. We&#8217;ve also had great discussions about the pros and cons of stereotyping LDS publications, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] personal essays about the role of conviction in spiritual growth, and the complexities surrounding the question of when life begins. We&#8217;ve also had great discussions about the pros and cons of stereotyping LDS publications, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Lynard Soper</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Lynard Soper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Nicole. I agree, Kerry presents this oft-hashed question in a whole new light, and I&#039;m the better for it.

Great remarks, Stephen. I especially loved this:

&lt;i&gt;I think we feel pressure to pretend like we’re too spiritually solid to mourn. &lt;/i&gt;

This has been my experience. When my son was born with Down syndrome, I was ashamed of my grief, which made it much much worse. The pressure came from within as well as without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Nicole. I agree, Kerry presents this oft-hashed question in a whole new light, and I&#8217;m the better for it.</p>
<p>Great remarks, Stephen. I especially loved this:</p>
<p><i>I think we feel pressure to pretend like we’re too spiritually solid to mourn. </i></p>
<p>This has been my experience. When my son was born with Down syndrome, I was ashamed of my grief, which made it much much worse. The pressure came from within as well as without.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Carter</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading this earlier and think it&#039;s a great example of the kind of Mormon writing that can last. The author of this piece has managed to allow herself to dwell in the difficulty, rather than dismissing it an easy answer. I think this is doing a great service for the rest of us. Because we all find ourselves in the midst of suffering that doesn&#039;t make sense. Too often, I think we feel pressure to pretend like we&#039;re too spiritually solid to mourn. For example, that story in General Conference about the woman who lost her husband in an accident. Whoever gave the talk insisted that she was unflapped by her loss, convinced that her husband was needed on the other side far more than he was needed here.

This essay, however, gives us permission to mourn. There has to be mourning in the world, otherwise, how can we fulfill our baptismal covenant to mourn with those who mourn? 

Good for Segullah for getting this out to the world. And good for Kerry Spencer for having the spiritual maturity to not only mourn, but but to present it so poignantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading this earlier and think it&#8217;s a great example of the kind of Mormon writing that can last. The author of this piece has managed to allow herself to dwell in the difficulty, rather than dismissing it an easy answer. I think this is doing a great service for the rest of us. Because we all find ourselves in the midst of suffering that doesn&#8217;t make sense. Too often, I think we feel pressure to pretend like we&#8217;re too spiritually solid to mourn. For example, that story in General Conference about the woman who lost her husband in an accident. Whoever gave the talk insisted that she was unflapped by her loss, convinced that her husband was needed on the other side far more than he was needed here.</p>
<p>This essay, however, gives us permission to mourn. There has to be mourning in the world, otherwise, how can we fulfill our baptismal covenant to mourn with those who mourn? </p>
<p>Good for Segullah for getting this out to the world. And good for Kerry Spencer for having the spiritual maturity to not only mourn, but but to present it so poignantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautiful article. I have not had significant experiences with difficult pregnancies although I have three children. I felt their presence in different ways as I spiritually matured. I don&#039;t think that we can understand this issue because we have such a limited capacity to understand eternity. I think the problem becomes that some people put their own pleasure and convenience above the possibility of life. For them they seek to justify their actions by questioning when life begins. The same question is completely different in the situation described here. I have always thought about the question in terms of stopping abortions, never as a woman who struggles with fertility. Thank you for opening my eyes to the struggle other women face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful article. I have not had significant experiences with difficult pregnancies although I have three children. I felt their presence in different ways as I spiritually matured. I don&#8217;t think that we can understand this issue because we have such a limited capacity to understand eternity. I think the problem becomes that some people put their own pleasure and convenience above the possibility of life. For them they seek to justify their actions by questioning when life begins. The same question is completely different in the situation described here. I have always thought about the question in terms of stopping abortions, never as a woman who struggles with fertility. Thank you for opening my eyes to the struggle other women face.</p>
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		<title>By: les</title>
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		<dc:creator>les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great link.

When I led pregnancy loss groups this was one of the things I gained, varying perspectives and beliefs. You are very right intepretations, experiences are unique. I think even when we accept our own truth we have to careful of the extent which we apply it. While in the midst of grief I was frustrated by the recalcitrance of people in their positions, their defense of one blanket answer. Especially those who viewed from an &quot;inexperienced&quot; lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great link.</p>
<p>When I led pregnancy loss groups this was one of the things I gained, varying perspectives and beliefs. You are very right intepretations, experiences are unique. I think even when we accept our own truth we have to careful of the extent which we apply it. While in the midst of grief I was frustrated by the recalcitrance of people in their positions, their defense of one blanket answer. Especially those who viewed from an &#8220;inexperienced&#8221; lens.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Lynard Soper</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/when-does-life-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Lynard Soper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think that is the reason there is no clear doctrine-there isn’t necessarily one point or one outcome for every loss.&lt;/i&gt;

I like how you put this.

If you haven&#039;t already, les (and others), read this post: http://segullah.org/cjane-speaks/the-hourglass-theory/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think that is the reason there is no clear doctrine-there isn’t necessarily one point or one outcome for every loss.</i></p>
<p>I like how you put this.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already, les (and others), read this post: <a href="http://segullah.org/cjane-speaks/the-hourglass-theory/" rel="nofollow">http://segullah.org/cjane-speaks/the-hourglass-theory/</a></p>
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		<title>By: les</title>
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		<dc:creator>les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Kathryn.
 
Time has helped me evolve in my beliefs, I don&#039;t find they are static. I think that is the reason there is no clear doctrine-there isn&#039;t necessarily one point or one outcome for every loss, I do think it is different in different cases because many women have various revelations or feelings by the spirit. My leanings are just sooner rather than later.

Justine- your word of &quot;permanence&quot; is a good choice. That fits with my feelings. I too have send it at the end of life. 

I believe in that sort of &quot;limbo&quot; (to clarify my intention in my earlier post) but not a sort of conceptulaization of it as quasi life where an embryo is somehow viewed as something other than human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Kathryn.</p>
<p>Time has helped me evolve in my beliefs, I don&#8217;t find they are static. I think that is the reason there is no clear doctrine-there isn&#8217;t necessarily one point or one outcome for every loss, I do think it is different in different cases because many women have various revelations or feelings by the spirit. My leanings are just sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>Justine- your word of &#8220;permanence&#8221; is a good choice. That fits with my feelings. I too have send it at the end of life. </p>
<p>I believe in that sort of &#8220;limbo&#8221; (to clarify my intention in my earlier post) but not a sort of conceptulaization of it as quasi life where an embryo is somehow viewed as something other than human.</p>
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