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		<title>By: heidi</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as i lie here in this bed all i want to do is get some rest but the memorise of you and me keep me awake.
the way your hand fit mine
the way your kiss lingerd on my lips
and when you held me i knew you were the one.
we spent so many days running with the wind
so many hours you held me as i cryed
but now your gone and it feels as if my heart is being ripped out of my chest every time i hear your name.
love is lost and so am i 
all i wish for is one more day in your arms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as i lie here in this bed all i want to do is get some rest but the memorise of you and me keep me awake.<br />
the way your hand fit mine<br />
the way your kiss lingerd on my lips<br />
and when you held me i knew you were the one.<br />
we spent so many days running with the wind<br />
so many hours you held me as i cryed<br />
but now your gone and it feels as if my heart is being ripped out of my chest every time i hear your name.<br />
love is lost and so am i<br />
all i wish for is one more day in your arms</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh, good suggestions, Neil. I need to focus on more detailed rejections, I think.

Stephen--too bad you can&#039;t tell Dixie to send some of the backlog over to us . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh, good suggestions, Neil. I need to focus on more detailed rejections, I think.</p>
<p>Stephen&#8211;too bad you can&#8217;t tell Dixie to send some of the backlog over to us . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Aitken</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Aitken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of the workshop and would recommend Alsop Review&#039;s Gazebo as a good model (www.alsopreview.com).

If you see part of your mission as educating both readers and poets as to what good poetry might be, perhaps you might consider an ongoing feature where a strong poem is published with a much earlier (and weaker) draft.  Accompany this with either commentary from the poet as to why the final version is stronger, what changes were made, and why.  This helps demystify the writing and revision process while simultaneously creating more interest in the individual poets (which is never a bad thing).

If your submission volume is still small and manageable, take time to offer a little constructive feedback for the poems which come close, but don&#039;t quite succeed.  When I first started Boxcar Poetry Review (www.boxcarpoetry.com), I would write a personal response for almost every rejection I sent out, taking time to point out which poem(s) were close, what I had liked about them, and where things didn&#039;t seem to work out in the end.  I hoped that doing so would help poets glimpse our journal&#039;s vision and goals.  I made a decision never to compromise on quality, regardless of who sent me work.  So, despite having submissions from well-known poets, if the work wasn&#039;t up to par, I still said no.  If the work was strong, but the poet were unknown, I&#039;d publish them.  In the end, it was the work that was most important.  Set a high bar and people will respect it.

Good luck with Segullah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of the workshop and would recommend Alsop Review&#8217;s Gazebo as a good model (www.alsopreview.com).</p>
<p>If you see part of your mission as educating both readers and poets as to what good poetry might be, perhaps you might consider an ongoing feature where a strong poem is published with a much earlier (and weaker) draft.  Accompany this with either commentary from the poet as to why the final version is stronger, what changes were made, and why.  This helps demystify the writing and revision process while simultaneously creating more interest in the individual poets (which is never a bad thing).</p>
<p>If your submission volume is still small and manageable, take time to offer a little constructive feedback for the poems which come close, but don&#8217;t quite succeed.  When I first started Boxcar Poetry Review (www.boxcarpoetry.com), I would write a personal response for almost every rejection I sent out, taking time to point out which poem(s) were close, what I had liked about them, and where things didn&#8217;t seem to work out in the end.  I hoped that doing so would help poets glimpse our journal&#8217;s vision and goals.  I made a decision never to compromise on quality, regardless of who sent me work.  So, despite having submissions from well-known poets, if the work wasn&#8217;t up to par, I still said no.  If the work was strong, but the poet were unknown, I&#8217;d publish them.  In the end, it was the work that was most important.  Set a high bar and people will respect it.</p>
<p>Good luck with Segullah!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Carter</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Darlene, Dixie is always pushing us to publish more poetry. I regretfully admit that our backlog goes back to the turn of the century. Yes, there are a few poems accepted in 2001 that haven&#039;t made it to print yet. But I&#039;m working on it. I try to get at least five poems in to each issue. Hopefully more. 

Poetry is important. I know that. The best is as good as prayer to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Darlene, Dixie is always pushing us to publish more poetry. I regretfully admit that our backlog goes back to the turn of the century. Yes, there are a few poems accepted in 2001 that haven&#8217;t made it to print yet. But I&#8217;m working on it. I try to get at least five poems in to each issue. Hopefully more. </p>
<p>Poetry is important. I know that. The best is as good as prayer to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Logan Lamech</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan Lamech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People that think they don&#039;t like poetry just haven&#039;t read the ones that relate to them. If you have a heart and soul, you like poetry.

Logan Lamech
www.eloquentbooks.com/LingeringPoets.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People that think they don&#8217;t like poetry just haven&#8217;t read the ones that relate to them. If you have a heart and soul, you like poetry.</p>
<p>Logan Lamech<br />
<a href="http://www.eloquentbooks.com/LingeringPoets.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eloquentbooks.com/LingeringPoets.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry, Stephen, I missed your comment. Thanks--it seems that that poem is awfully popular. I think Mormons get an unusual thrill out getting away with saying boob. 

So do you know whether you are you receiving lots of high-quality submissions? I wonder if Sunstone gets more than we do because of longevity, or whether the same poets are contributing over time, or what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry, Stephen, I missed your comment. Thanks&#8211;it seems that that poem is awfully popular. I think Mormons get an unusual thrill out getting away with saying boob. </p>
<p>So do you know whether you are you receiving lots of high-quality submissions? I wonder if Sunstone gets more than we do because of longevity, or whether the same poets are contributing over time, or what.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting thoughts. 

Emily, you&#039;re so good at helping poets improve!

The on-line workshop might be a good thing. At AML, we used to sponsor a writer&#039;s conference, but we&#039;ve discontinued it for several reasons, one of which is that other organizations are having writer&#039;s conferences here and we felt we were not offering anything that the others weren&#039;t offering.  An on-line workshop is a different thing, and is even different than what&#039;s happening at nauvoo.com.  Worth pondering.

I&#039;m still hoping to hear from Stephen and Kristine and Benjamin about poetry in their publications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting thoughts. </p>
<p>Emily, you&#8217;re so good at helping poets improve!</p>
<p>The on-line workshop might be a good thing. At AML, we used to sponsor a writer&#8217;s conference, but we&#8217;ve discontinued it for several reasons, one of which is that other organizations are having writer&#8217;s conferences here and we felt we were not offering anything that the others weren&#8217;t offering.  An on-line workshop is a different thing, and is even different than what&#8217;s happening at nauvoo.com.  Worth pondering.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still hoping to hear from Stephen and Kristine and Benjamin about poetry in their publications.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily M.</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I would love to do a writing workshop feature on Segullah&#039;s blog, maybe once a month or so.  We will take it up with our blog editor, Maralise, and see what she thinks.  But in the meantime, I can recommend the online writing workshop at Nauvoo.com, Orson Scott Card&#039;s LDS forum.  It&#039;s all online, run by Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury, and newcomers are welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I would love to do a writing workshop feature on Segullah&#8217;s blog, maybe once a month or so.  We will take it up with our blog editor, Maralise, and see what she thinks.  But in the meantime, I can recommend the online writing workshop at Nauvoo.com, Orson Scott Card&#8217;s LDS forum.  It&#8217;s all online, run by Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury, and newcomers are welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily M.</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/segullah/our-mission-to-publish-poetry/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi, I can tell your poem comes from a place of strong emotion, which is good.  What I&#039;m seeing when I read it, though, is that you&#039;ve got a lot of vague, abstract words, without pinning them down to specific images.  You&#039;ve got words like &quot;alone&quot; and &quot;happy&quot; and &quot;dying&quot; and &quot;loved me.&quot;  You can use those in poetry, but if you don&#039;t give us specific imagery as well, it&#039;s hard for the reader to understand where you&#039;re coming from. 

I think a good place for you to start revising this would be to take a few of your abstract words and brainstorm concrete, specific images for them.  Take &quot;alone.&quot;  What does alone feel like, sound like, taste like, smell like, etc.?  Write a few fresh, new images for each abstract word.  Then go back and incorporate them into your poem.  

Then take that version, and show it to someone, and incorporate those comments too.  Revise and repeat.  Several drafts later, you&#039;ll have a poem that helps the reader experience all the powerful feeling that made you want to write the poem in the first place.

I teach a writing workshop for my ward&#039;s Enrichment program, and I had the women do this exercise.  It was very successful--it helped them see the difference between abstract ideas and concrete images.  It&#039;s impossible for readers to experience vague meanings until they are tied down to specifics in some way. 

It&#039;s also important to realize that the way the poem first comes out is hardly ever how it ends up.  Revision, over and over, is what will turn your writing into something great. 

Have fun with the revising, and keep writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, I can tell your poem comes from a place of strong emotion, which is good.  What I&#8217;m seeing when I read it, though, is that you&#8217;ve got a lot of vague, abstract words, without pinning them down to specific images.  You&#8217;ve got words like &#8220;alone&#8221; and &#8220;happy&#8221; and &#8220;dying&#8221; and &#8220;loved me.&#8221;  You can use those in poetry, but if you don&#8217;t give us specific imagery as well, it&#8217;s hard for the reader to understand where you&#8217;re coming from. </p>
<p>I think a good place for you to start revising this would be to take a few of your abstract words and brainstorm concrete, specific images for them.  Take &#8220;alone.&#8221;  What does alone feel like, sound like, taste like, smell like, etc.?  Write a few fresh, new images for each abstract word.  Then go back and incorporate them into your poem.  </p>
<p>Then take that version, and show it to someone, and incorporate those comments too.  Revise and repeat.  Several drafts later, you&#8217;ll have a poem that helps the reader experience all the powerful feeling that made you want to write the poem in the first place.</p>
<p>I teach a writing workshop for my ward&#8217;s Enrichment program, and I had the women do this exercise.  It was very successful&#8211;it helped them see the difference between abstract ideas and concrete images.  It&#8217;s impossible for readers to experience vague meanings until they are tied down to specifics in some way. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to realize that the way the poem first comes out is hardly ever how it ends up.  Revision, over and over, is what will turn your writing into something great. </p>
<p>Have fun with the revising, and keep writing!</p>
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		<title>By: jendoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>jendoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add my voice to the call for an online workshop. Being in PA there&#039;s no chance of a Utah workshop for me. The last year I&#039;ve been writing more and more, and a few poetry type thingies. In my school days I did not get along with poetry so I&#039;m flat out intimidated by it. But my love of words makes me curious. 

My question is- Does a workshop need to specifically focus on helping Mormon women? If I were to attend any old poetry workshop would the empathetic ear be available for such a &quot;peculiar&quot; sub-genre? Is there a need for outreach to Mormon women who want to be creative but, like me are scared of poetry? Is this a specific voice that needs to be heard from more often?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add my voice to the call for an online workshop. Being in PA there&#8217;s no chance of a Utah workshop for me. The last year I&#8217;ve been writing more and more, and a few poetry type thingies. In my school days I did not get along with poetry so I&#8217;m flat out intimidated by it. But my love of words makes me curious. </p>
<p>My question is- Does a workshop need to specifically focus on helping Mormon women? If I were to attend any old poetry workshop would the empathetic ear be available for such a &#8220;peculiar&#8221; sub-genre? Is there a need for outreach to Mormon women who want to be creative but, like me are scared of poetry? Is this a specific voice that needs to be heard from more often?</p>
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