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		<title>By: make your own song online</title>
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		<dc:creator>make your own song online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mormon LitCrit: On Envying Jewish Lit &#124; Dawning of a Brighter Day</title>
		<link>http://theredbrickstore.com/irreantum/chaim-potok-as-a-model-for-mormon-literature/comment-page-1/#comment-4907</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon LitCrit: On Envying Jewish Lit &#124; Dawning of a Brighter Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;ve cautiously hoped that Jewish writers can be a model for Mormon writers on how to write cultural particularity, even peculiarity, in a way that taps into deeply human [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you&#8217;ve cautiously hoped that Jewish writers can be a model for Mormon writers on how to write cultural particularity, even peculiarity, in a way that taps into deeply human [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Treme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Treme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howdy, I love all your blog posts, keep them coming.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chaim Potok as a Model for Mormon Literature The Red Brick Store &#124; My Site</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaim Potok as a Model for Mormon Literature The Red Brick Store &#124; My Site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chaim Potok as a Model for Mormon Literature The Red Brick Store   Posted by root 23 minutes ago (http://theredbrickstore.com)        Jan 21 2009 see also this discussion over at the red brick store which suggests using chaim potok powered by wordpress wp themes by bfa webdesign        Discuss&#160;  &#124;&#160; Bury &#124;&#160;    News &#124; Chaim Potok as a Model for Mormon Literature The Red Brick Store [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Finally: some Evangelical criticism of &#8220;Twilight&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Finally: some Evangelical criticism of &#8220;Twilight&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and does not apply LDS doctrine or theology to any of the story&#8217;s events).  See also this discussion over at The Red Brick Store, which suggests using Chaim Potok&#8217;s novels about Jewish life (The Chosen, My Name is Asher [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and does not apply LDS doctrine or theology to any of the story&#8217;s events).  See also this discussion over at The Red Brick Store, which suggests using Chaim Potok&#8217;s novels about Jewish life (The Chosen, My Name is Asher [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bfwebster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfwebster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Heaven forbid anyone put something out there where the Mormonism of the characters is just another layer of the story and is NOT the story.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m writing a novel right now where the main character is female, black, and LDS. The fact that she&#039;s black won&#039;t really come out until well into the novel. At this point, the fact that she&#039;s LDS won&#039;t come out explicitly at all, though someone reading the novel who knows that she&#039;s LDS will see some signposts along the way, both in passing references by the character and in some of the choices she makes and the things she says to herself and others. And the novel itself doesn&#039;t fit within the usual LDS fiction venue (think &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Powers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Powers&lt;/a&gt;, though I claim none of his talents and skills). 

Besides Potok (who is a great model), you might also consider Isaac Bashevis Singer as a model for a different type of LDS literature.  ..bruce..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Heaven forbid anyone put something out there where the Mormonism of the characters is just another layer of the story and is NOT the story.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing a novel right now where the main character is female, black, and LDS. The fact that she&#8217;s black won&#8217;t really come out until well into the novel. At this point, the fact that she&#8217;s LDS won&#8217;t come out explicitly at all, though someone reading the novel who knows that she&#8217;s LDS will see some signposts along the way, both in passing references by the character and in some of the choices she makes and the things she says to herself and others. And the novel itself doesn&#8217;t fit within the usual LDS fiction venue (think <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Powers" rel="nofollow">Tim Powers</a>, though I claim none of his talents and skills). </p>
<p>Besides Potok (who is a great model), you might also consider Isaac Bashevis Singer as a model for a different type of LDS literature.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since DB carries the imprimatur of the church, it listens carefully to that &quot;certain segment of the Mormon audience&quot; and shies away from anything that carries the whiff of bad PR. That&#039;s why the ideal Mormon author is somebody like Meyer, who keeps her books clean of actual Mormons.

I also think Rameumptom is onto a very important point. It seems to me that &quot;arts &amp; letters&quot; Mormons often spend more time trying to eradicate the Sunstone-DB/Seagull dichotomy than defining it. As a result, they don&#039;t really &quot;stand&quot; anywhere. They straddle. Or make themselves safely irrelevant.

Mainstream Mormons want to be accepted by Mainstream Christians, and &quot;arts &amp; letters&quot; Mormons want to be accepted by Mainstream Mormons, and nobody wants to offend anybody. Where&#039;s the conflict?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since DB carries the imprimatur of the church, it listens carefully to that &#8220;certain segment of the Mormon audience&#8221; and shies away from anything that carries the whiff of bad PR. That&#8217;s why the ideal Mormon author is somebody like Meyer, who keeps her books clean of actual Mormons.</p>
<p>I also think Rameumptom is onto a very important point. It seems to me that &#8220;arts &amp; letters&#8221; Mormons often spend more time trying to eradicate the Sunstone-DB/Seagull dichotomy than defining it. As a result, they don&#8217;t really &#8220;stand&#8221; anywhere. They straddle. Or make themselves safely irrelevant.</p>
<p>Mainstream Mormons want to be accepted by Mainstream Christians, and &#8220;arts &amp; letters&#8221; Mormons want to be accepted by Mainstream Mormons, and nobody wants to offend anybody. Where&#8217;s the conflict?</p>
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		<title>By: Rameumptom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rameumptom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for one to succeed in the Potok vein, you would have to begin with a fundamentalist LDS group, where individuals seek to live in the world of Gentiles and mainstream Mormons.  From there, you could go various directions: does the young fundamentalist, through surreptitiously educating himself, decide to become a regular LDS Mormon or a Gentile, or does he remain fundamentalist?

I do not think there is enough difference between Iron Rodders and Sunstone Readers within the LDS Mormon church to create enough conflict for the average reader to want to absorb it, much less compare it to Chaim Potok&#039;s Asher Lev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for one to succeed in the Potok vein, you would have to begin with a fundamentalist LDS group, where individuals seek to live in the world of Gentiles and mainstream Mormons.  From there, you could go various directions: does the young fundamentalist, through surreptitiously educating himself, decide to become a regular LDS Mormon or a Gentile, or does he remain fundamentalist?</p>
<p>I do not think there is enough difference between Iron Rodders and Sunstone Readers within the LDS Mormon church to create enough conflict for the average reader to want to absorb it, much less compare it to Chaim Potok&#8217;s Asher Lev.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Hallstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Hallstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene, I agree with you to a certain extent, but you&#039;re describing the reaction of a certain segment of the Mormon audience rather than a mainstream audience &quot;familiar with Mormonism.&quot;  I doubt a mainstream audience would see your novel as heretical, but it was (obviously) quite threatening to a number of LDS readers . .  which surprised me a little, to be honest.  The response to your novel was a good reality check for me.

One of the things Busby discusses in the essay (not printed here) is the fact that Potok wasn&#039;t an &quot;insider&quot; within the orthodox Jewish community.  We outsiders might *read* him as an insider, but if a Mormon author had written the equivalent of _My Name is Asher Lev_, for instance?  I&#039;m certain many orthodox Mormons would dismiss the author out of hand.  Of course, Judaism casts a very wide net that includes conservative and liberal believers and everything in between.  Mormonism, in contrast, has a very small net, and the size of this net has ramifications for those who want to stay inside it and still create compelling literature that resonates with a wide audience.

I agree, though, that telling a strong story is part the answer, as is being mindful of the &quot;humanity&quot; of the novel&#039;s characters, as homeschoolin&#039;hen said.

MoJo, I agree with you that the apparent DB/Sunstone dichotomy forces writers into corners where they don&#039;t necessarily need to take up residence.  And our novels don&#039;t need to be primarily *about* Mormonism---I don&#039;t think Potok&#039;s novels were primarily about Judaism.  In fact, novels that set out to either prove or excoriate Mormonism almost always have a very difficult time succeeding artistically, in my opinion.

And Th., when I first received the essay submission I wondered if we needed another Chaim Potok discussion in Mormon letters.  But Busby does it so well that I believe it&#039;s a very valuable addition to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene, I agree with you to a certain extent, but you&#8217;re describing the reaction of a certain segment of the Mormon audience rather than a mainstream audience &#8220;familiar with Mormonism.&#8221;  I doubt a mainstream audience would see your novel as heretical, but it was (obviously) quite threatening to a number of LDS readers . .  which surprised me a little, to be honest.  The response to your novel was a good reality check for me.</p>
<p>One of the things Busby discusses in the essay (not printed here) is the fact that Potok wasn&#8217;t an &#8220;insider&#8221; within the orthodox Jewish community.  We outsiders might *read* him as an insider, but if a Mormon author had written the equivalent of _My Name is Asher Lev_, for instance?  I&#8217;m certain many orthodox Mormons would dismiss the author out of hand.  Of course, Judaism casts a very wide net that includes conservative and liberal believers and everything in between.  Mormonism, in contrast, has a very small net, and the size of this net has ramifications for those who want to stay inside it and still create compelling literature that resonates with a wide audience.</p>
<p>I agree, though, that telling a strong story is part the answer, as is being mindful of the &#8220;humanity&#8221; of the novel&#8217;s characters, as homeschoolin&#8217;hen said.</p>
<p>MoJo, I agree with you that the apparent DB/Sunstone dichotomy forces writers into corners where they don&#8217;t necessarily need to take up residence.  And our novels don&#8217;t need to be primarily *about* Mormonism&#8212;I don&#8217;t think Potok&#8217;s novels were primarily about Judaism.  In fact, novels that set out to either prove or excoriate Mormonism almost always have a very difficult time succeeding artistically, in my opinion.</p>
<p>And Th., when I first received the essay submission I wondered if we needed another Chaim Potok discussion in Mormon letters.  But Busby does it so well that I believe it&#8217;s a very valuable addition to the conversation.</p>
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